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  1. PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE
    January 15, 2012

    Clint,

    My point using Chen is that if you want another arm that bad, find me another #4 starter like Chen for Chen $$ before a #3 starter like Jackson for #1 $$….

  2. jim fetterolf
    January 14, 2012

    “I don’t see Greinke giving KC any kind of former hometown discount unless KC can outperform the numbers this year with a major winning season. 85+ wins”

    I’m figuring 81-85 wins this year, based on better rotation, Moose not hitting .200 for most his season, and upgrades in 60% of the rotation over last year’s start. Our defense looks a little better with Perez and Cain and the hope that Gio’s surgery makes him a little less stiff, the bullpen looks stronger if Broxton and Mijares are healthy, so .500 or better is likely to me. Zack mentioned to Mellinger that he still has a place here and his wife likes KC, then stopped himself and said that he couldn’t talk anymore about it, so that suggests that it is on his mind. I think that if he can come in and be a part of an already good rotation rather than being expected to be the savior, that he will be reasonable.

    Main difference between this season and ’13 that I see is we will have a much better idea of whether we will need to trade for or sign a #1 pitcher and what prospects we will have that are expendable. Still questions about our youngsters in the majors and on most all of our minor-league pitchers and on Hoch, Duffy, and Paulino. Signing Jackson or Oswalt will make it more difficult to make a judgement on Duffy and will likely slow the promotions of Montgomery to KC. I expect ’12 to be a positive year, a ten win improvement reasonable and rewarding to the fans, and sets the stage for ’13, when out pitching prospects have a chance to make as much of an impact as the position prospects did last season and add another ten wins, getting us within an ace of the Holy Grail, 95 wins. All that and $12 million in the bank available to be spread out over 4 years to help get Zack back, if needed.

  3. kcShogun
    January 14, 2012

    they will get one in 2013….gotta trust it Clint. it will be by trade or free agency, but we will have a legit #1 in spring training 2013.

  4. kcShogun
    January 14, 2012

    i agree with Jim 100%. very excited about this season. not only in KC, but ALL of the lower levels. i think we see our pitchers get their mojo back.

    2009 – can feel it building….moose raking…
    2010 – pitchers dominate; monty, lamb, dwyer, etc..
    2011 – hitters dominate; hosmer, gio, moose, perez, gordon, frenchy, etc
    2012 – pitchers turn….monty and co primed for a great year

    very interested to follow these prospects (sorry got way off topic here)
    Omah – Monty, Dwyer, Will Smith, Verdugo, Keating, Myers, Lough, D.robinson?
    NW A – Odorizzi, Lamb, Arguellas, Melville, Chapman, Jeffress, Colon, Navarro, Julio Rodriguez, Prades, Merrifield
    Wilm – jAdam, Ventura, Billo, Sugar Ray, Sample, kDavid, Calixte, Cuthbert, Eibner
    Kane – Starling, Bonifacio, mAntonio, dMateo and ALL of the 2011 draftees.

  5. Clint Scoles
    January 14, 2012

    I wish I had the same confidence as you all about getting a FA in 2013. Doubt it happens how can KC compete with St. Louis, SF, Texas, NYY etc when it comes to money.

    I don’t see Greinke giving KC any kind of former hometown discount unless KC can outperform the numbers this year with a major winning season. 85+ wins

  6. kcShogun
    January 14, 2012

    fwiw, i wouldn’t have traded billy or one of our top prospects for pineda. call it a gut feeling…..i just see him going down in flames within next 2 yrs. based on zero intel….just get one of those feelings.

    i’d rather go after a Gio Gonzalez type…..that has good stuff and done it for more than one year.

    i’m guessing we see Monty around May…..depends on KC rotation and his AAA work. also feel a big trade coming this season…….i can feel it. (jeez, you’d think i’ve taken one too many acid hits and are starting to experience some psychic visions…) hahhahaa….sorry, just the hangover talking.

  7. jim fetterolf
    January 14, 2012

    I haven’t. Jackson won’t get us to 95 wins this year, so I’ld rather save the money and develop Duffy, Montgomery, and Odorizzi. If we need an FA in ’13, the available talent will be better and we’ll have the $12 million in the bank to go after Zack or comparable ace. As both Jackson and Oswalt don’t seem to have a lot of buyers, a one-year deal for either might make some sense, allows both to show they’re for real or healthy (Oswalt’s back problem), doesn’t tie up Royals’ money for a long time. Of course, I’m comfortable with the Process and think it’s on schedule, so don’t think we’re at a point of desperation yet.

  8. kcShogun
    January 14, 2012

    i would stay away from jackson…unless of course you can get a great deal. realistically that won’t happen….the Yanks will sign him before us.

    we need the $$$$ for 2013-2017. develop our young guys this year and try to strike a deal for Sanchez and Hoch (if they play well).

    2013
    grienke or other FA pitcher
    hochevar
    montgomery
    sanchez
    duffy / lamb / jackson? / paulino / odorizzi / ????

    we need a NUMBER ONE pitcher….not another #3-4 pitcher…what have a surplus of those already. save and spend some BIG MONEY on an ace. trade a couple guys in july for a #1/2 potential….that is in AA or AAA currently.

    gotta make 2013-2016 the best years since the 80s. that is our window…play for that.

  9. Clint Scoles
    January 14, 2012

    Jackson definitely isn’t overrated. The Chen deal doesn’t make any difference as they could have both.

  10. PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE
    January 14, 2012

    Jackson is overrated…we went through this before…I take Chen 2/9 everyday of the week & twice on Tues…Give Jackson a big contract & expect the 2nd coming of AJ Burnett…Jackson has been on 4 teams in 2yrs, if he is worth the $ I think he would have been resigned.

  11. Clint Scoles
    January 14, 2012

    Pregnant a team can never have too many quality starters and while Jackson wants 5 @ 15M with the Yanks out of the chase I doubt he and Boras get that. If he comes back to 3/42 then the Royals should consider it. As I’ve pointed out before they can handle salary for a 3 year period.

  12. PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE
    January 14, 2012

    Are we back to talking about over paying for Jackson….if the $$ is right sure but no Gil Meche $$…1 or 2 yrs sure…but Clint this is begining to enter into a obsession…

  13. rybarns
    January 14, 2012

    Jackson would be a great #3. If the Royals could get him in the three years/$33 million range, he would be a great pickup. Looking at the Royals roster, they will not beat the Tigers in 2012 for the division, and they will probably lose Sanchez (via trade or FA) before 2013.

    2012 is all about building toward 2013, which is the year the Royals can compete with the Tigers if the young guys continue to develop. Jackson is also a workhorse who gets the team closer to the bullpen each start better than someone like Duffy, Crow or Mendoza could.

  14. willie22
    January 14, 2012

    Love to see us do this but do not think it will happen. Personally disappointed we did not get in on the Pineda deal. what a huge missed opportunity for the royals.

  15. Paul
    January 14, 2012

    I’m not a big Edwin Jackson guy, but I agree with Clint’s take that signing him makes sense because the young guys are nowhere near ready to take this team to the playoffs. The offense is at least arguably ready.

    We can probably just give it to Hoch and Sanchez because they’ve been very close, but the fact is that the current rotation does not include a guy who has ever thrown 200 innings. I’ve written here before that I think Duffy should develop in the bullpen anyway. I think signing Jackson in the context of the team’s makeup and the lack of action on him for a long-term deal is a no-brainer.

  16. PJ
    January 14, 2012

    Have not changed my mind. I’d be willing to go 5/55 or 5/60 but no higher. He’ll give us 200 innings a year of above average ball and with the potential that we’ll be running multiple starters out who won’t average much more than five innings per start we need to find some way to save the bullpen.

    I would be find with Oswalt as well, but my preference would be Jackson.

  17. mmeade17
    January 14, 2012

    I haven’t. He’s not consistent enough for the big money it will take. However, here’s an interesting article (I wrote it so I get to call it interesting) about how Roy Oswalt makes a lot of sense at the ultra cheap price he’s willing to take. I even suggest how the Royals might pitch it.

    http://sectionfate.blogspot.com/2012/01/lets-hear-it-one-more-time-why-should.html

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